Today, it is with much pleasure that I get to talk about a different side of publication. I normally get to talk about the writing craft, as this is what I know from doing.
For once, I get to talk about Editors. The kind folks at Penguin UK responded to an Open Letter I wrote to the Publishing world asking some questions about how publishers and readers can connect. (There will be a post in the future on this very subject, so I’m going to keep the link to the open letter a secret for now!)
This journey started with a post from Penguin UK that came shortly after I posted my Open Letter that goes as follows:
We’re going to be running an Ask the Editor feature! One of our lovely editorial assistants will be answering your questions. Please leave any questions you can think of in the comments below, from now, and we’ll get her to answer them tomorrow. Ever wondered how to get a career in publishing? Pop it below. Wondering how many tea breaks an editorial assistant takes? Do the same. How much the doggy in the window is? You’re probably in the wrong place….
We can’t guarantee *all questions will be answered. If there are a gazillion then we might not make it through them, but we will try!
If you click the above link, you can see the many questions that were asked, but for the sake of simplicity, I am only going to reproduce and link to the questions Penguin UK’s pair of editorial assistants answered.
#1: The Original Post
Ok, answer time begins. Please be warned that these are the thoughts of one/two people and may not be the same across all publishers or publishing departments:
From +Tony Clifton
what is the % of books turned down as opposed to ones you actually publish each year? ( 50/50 60/40 etc)
I’m afraid I don’t have the figures, but I’d imagine it varies hugely from publisher to publisher, genre to genre. For the list I work on, I’d take a (very very rough) guess that about 1 in 7 proposals gets through. But that doesn’t take into account any of the unsolicited manuscripts we are sent.
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#2 The Original Post
From +Rebecca Blain
*Question #2 of Rebecca Asks All of the Questions series… (Editorial Note by yours truly: This becomes referenced as RAAotQ. I got tired of typing out variants of this remark. It is a reference to the image that Penguin UK used as a part of the call for questions: Answer all the questions!)
What determines the types of books that trend? For example, what started the YA Fantasy trend, and what kept it snowballing? Why has Paranormal and Urban Fantasy trended?*
If I knew that, would I still be an assistant? It would be great to be able to pick the next big trend, but who foresaw vampires? Who knew erotica-for-mums would be the record-breaker that inspired a thousand copy-cats? I suppose that publishers are keeping a closer eye on the self-published successes.
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#3 The Original Post
From +Rachel Desilets
What is a total deal breaker for a decent query?
Is there one thing that will make you stop reading and say “no”? Alternatively, what are the three most common errors in queries?
If you have two books of the same genre, same kind of characters, same basic plot (this is bound to happen at some point - right?) How would you then choose which one to publish?
Typically, how do you find new authors to publish?
Not a question, just a note: Tea breaks are amazing
To nitpick, I would say a query is what you send a literary agent, a proposal is what you send a publisher. But then that’s what publishers do. They nitpick. Which means any errors of spelling or grammar, any sloppy writing in general will be frowned upon. There are a huge amount of proposals from agents to get through, before you even get to the unsolicited ones (which, alas, most people don’t), so this is one way of filtering people out. Sure, these are all things an editor could fix — but if you haven’t taken the care to make your proposal the best it possibly can be, what indication do we have that you would do that with your book? (This is a personal view, incidentally, I can’t claim to speak for the industry.) I’m sure every editor will have their own pet peeves, the things that make them stop reading.
New authors tend to come to us through agents. It is INCREDIBLY rare to get an unsolicited proposal through (though it does happen occasionally).*
*please don’t swamp us now
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)*
#4 The Original Post
From +Rachel Desilets
Oh! Would you ever take on an author that has never been traditionally published before, but has been self-published?
Past work, not the one they want to publish with you (of course).
And going off of that, how big of a role would the past sales of that self-published work play into them getting published now?
Four words: Fifty Shades of Grey. Or, at Penguin, Bared to You. I reckon this is likely to be a growing trend - after all, a proven readership can only be a good thing, and I get the feeling that in a post-Grey world, likely to be taken more seriously.
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#5 The Original Post
Question #4 of RAAotQ
Is it true that editors don’t actually get to take the weekends and evenings off and that work tends to follow you around like a lost little puppy that escaped from the window and is looking for a good home?
Yes. There is an enormous amount of admin involved; that takes up your 9 - 5 (or 9-6, or 7, or 8….) If you want to read submissions, plan projects, investigate new writing or, y’know, edit, you do that at home, once you have finished working late. Know this now, all ye job-seekers.
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#6 The Original Post
From +Rebecca Blain
Question #5 of RAAotQ
Be honest, have you actually ever pulled a novel out of an unsolicited slush pile and advocated it for publication?
If yes, how did this book perform compared to others? Are authors represented by an agent from the get-go more likely to have a best seller or encounter success than someone discovered by the elusive (and even perhaps mythical) unsolicited non-agented slush pile?
No - because I work exclusively on non-fiction. But my editor has pulled a non-fiction proposal that came to him unsolicited: THE SPIRIT LEVEL, look it up. A bestseller which had a real impact on public debate. Rights now sold in 23 languages.
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#7 The Original Post
From +Rebecca Blain
Question #6 of RAAotQ
*What makes you the happiest about working in the publishing business?*
Reading books before they’re published. Swapping ideas with amazing authors. Free books!
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#8 The Original Post
From +Rebecca Blain
Question #7 of RAAotQ
Can you spend a little time demystifying the advance and whether or not it is true that if an author does not earn enough profits to cover the advance in the first year, they’re considered a failure and not pursued any further?
Really not as hard and fast as that. Certainly not true in my sector (high end non-fiction). Can’t speak for other divisions.
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#9 The Original Post
From +Catherine Friess
Who translates foreign language books into English? Translators working for publishers in the country where they are first published or translators working for publishing companies in the UK? Do you employ translators or work with freelancers?
We have no in-house translators - although a more specialised press might (or at least a pool of very regular free-lancers). There isn’t a hard and fast process: it is often a case of finding out if the English language rights are available, buying them and then commissioning a translation, but sometimes you will be approached by (agented) writers who have a particular translation project in mind. (This usually tends to work only for the more high-profile writers.)
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#10 The Original Post
From +Sorcha Ogle
how much influence do editors actually have over writers?
I’ve read some books with some - to me - glaring mistakes (plot lines etc), or inclusion of prose that would have been better ditched. I have caught myself wondering “this person needed a decent editor”, and wonder if they did have a decent editor, just didn’t listen to them?!
It varies from author to author - and editor to editor. I’ve seen some projects where the completed work is almost unrecognisable from the gibberish that came in on the first draft, but I’ve also seen some where barely a word has been touched (for better or worse). It very much depends on the relationship the editor has built up with the author - how much trust there is, and how the editor goes about persuading them. Authors - more often than not - tend to be appreciative when it is clear you have spent time and effort reading their work with a sympathetic eye. This doesn’t mean you can’t tell them to make huge changes, just that you have taken the time to try and understand what they are aiming to do, and to help them do it better.
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#11 The Original Post
From +Tanya Tenorio
First, this is really a great thing that you are doing, so thank you. Second, getting a book published is a big and confusing task. Got any tips and the best contacts in order to make to make that happen?www.tanyachamain.com
Although things are (very, very occasionally) pulled from the unsolicited pile, I’m afraid to say it doesn’t happen often, and yes, the key is getting the attention of a good agent. Make sure you don’t just submit blindly - do your research, see what kind of books the agency represents, spend time getting your proposal / pitch just right - and then tighten it some more. (And this is just an anecdotal observation, but I do get the sense that a strong online presence is getting more respect now than in days of yore.)
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#12 The Original Post
From +Rebecca Blain
Question #9 of RAAotQ
There is a constant battle between small, large, medium, and self-published authors on the subject of book promotion. The rumor is that an author that is signed with a large-scale publisher like Penguin is expected to do the same amount of self-promotion as a self-published author.
Is this true?
What are authors expected to do as a part of their writing career except write amazing books? Is there a master list of expectations that we can be shown so those of us who lust for that traditional publication contract (cough, me) can be better prepared for if we do somehow get signed?
Large-scale publishers just tend to have better machinery behind them - marketing resources, well-connected publicists etc. Small- and medium- scale publishers can get equally good results, it’s just often harder work. But wherever you end up, my advice would be the same: trust your publicist. They genuinely do want the best for you and your book, so listen to them. The only time you shouldn’t is if you feel they haven’t understood your book, in which case try and explain it to them. If that fails, bring it up with your editor. But 99% of the time: TRUST YOUR PUBLICIST.
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#13 The Original Post
From +Vanessa Gallant
Are there really less jobs in the industry as a result of the current changes taking place, or are the jobs just changing? And what kind of indirect work experience is the most relevant?
Yes. The same amount of work (or more) is being done by fewer people. The more work experience you can afford to do, and the more widely, the better.
Shan Vahidy (Editorial Assistant, Penguin Press)
#14 The Original Post
From +Ourbookreviews Derby
*Once the editing process starts does the relationship between author and publisher ever become so fraught that the book is abandoned?*
Usually the relationship between publisher and author is a very strong one, and I think many editors would consider managing this relationship and the expectations of the author to be a key part of their job. It’s very important to Penguin that the author is happy and feels in control of their work. Inevitably differences of opinion do arise, particularly when commercial considerations inevitably impinge on the creativity of the author, but a happy compromise is almost always reached. I have heard of contracts being cancelled very occassionally, but not since I’ve been here!
Anna Mrowiec (Editorial Assistant, Michael Joseph)
#15 The Original Post
From +Ourbookreviews Derby
*Do editors ever NOT get their way? And does this vary on the author?*
Ideally an editor would never ‘get in their way’, but would work with the author editorially to get their book to the stage where it is publishable. Writers often become too close to their work and too invested in it to recognise where the narrative might slow down too much etc, so an outsider’s perspecitve is crucial when it comes to writing a book. Inevitably the more established and successful an author is, the less work will be done on their books as they’ll be more aware of the process, what works, and know their audience best so we’ll trust them with that.
Equally, some books simply don’t need much work done on them, and an editor will never suggest alterations for the sake of it.
Anna Mrowiec (Editorial Assistant, Michael Joseph)
#16 The Original Post
From +Gerry Mayfield
How autonomous is the editor in deciding what changes they want to see? Is there a ‘committee’ at any stage?
I imagine that really depends on the publisher. At Penguin an editor will usually choose to show any submission they’ve taken on to other editors for advice/general suggestions on whether it could be improved, but it is just the editor who’ll talk this through with the author. Once a final manuscript comes in that the editor is happy with, someone will read it through purely to proof-read it, correcting things like grammatical errors, typos and inconsistencies (his red hat is now blue etc), all of which will also be run past the author.
Anna Mrowiec (Editorial Assistant, Michael Joseph)
#17 The Original Post
From +Rebecca Blain:
How much of a difference does having a well-known agent make in getting a novel accepted by a publisher?
Your agent will often be very important in getting your work looked at, as they’ll know exactly which editors will be interested in your book, and the best way to sell it to them. Editors and agents catch up regularly about what they have/what they’re looking for, so having the right agent could be key. Obviously this will not guarentee a publisher taking on your book as each is judged on individual merit, but editors certainly trust some agents more than others to send them quality submissions that are worth taking the time to read.
Do editors tend to be more bias toward agents that have been in the business a long time?
No not at all, as long as they continue to take on excellent authors and books. Publishers are likely to have long, established relationships with such agents so this will usually be a plus.
Also, in reverse, do editors have a bias against certain agents (as a blacklist?) or is the end game decision 100% based on the quality of the novel?
There are always going to be agents who have a reputation for being difficult to work with, but this won’t put an editor off if they like what they’re being offered.
Anna Mrowiec (Editorial Assistant, Michael Joseph)
#18 The Original Post
From +Alison Croasdale :
There have been a few ‘how did you get your job’ -type questions already, but I’m curious, do you think training/qualifications for editors will begin to shift in the age of e-books?
Probably not for editors, as we are very much looking at the text which is the same in any format, so the same skills are needed. We certainly need to be mindful of the changes in readership/tastes with the rise of ebooks, and we are certainly looking at the industry in a different way, but no new qualifications seem necessary. However, in other departments a better knowledge of digitalisation certainly seems incredibly useful.
Also, are you seeing a decrease in copy editor work across the industry as ‘web editors’ are used as a catch-all? (I’ve seen some awful /apparently un-proofed writing on major sites recently, including the BBC news site.)
No, all our books are still copy edited and proof-reader by humans! I imagine this is the same in all book publishers (can’t speak for news sites…)
Anna Mrowiec (Editorial Assistant, Michael Joseph)
#19 The Original Post
From +Rebecca Blain:
What are the minimum qualifications for someone to become an editor of a predominate publisher?
I’d say you’d need a university degree. Most people here have English degrees but that’s not a rule. No one I’ve spoken to has a publishing degree, which seem to be very expensive and certainly not needed to enter the industry. Much more important is relevant work experience and an obvious knowledge and enthusiasm of books relevant to the company/division.
Anna Mrowiec (Editorial Assistant, Michael Joseph)
#20 The Original Post
From +Melissa Jones:
do you need a university degree to get in to publishing?
*what sort of things to publishers look for when looking to hire staff?*
I’d say a degree probably is necessary. I don’t know that it’s a requirement, exactly, but I don’t think you’d stand out amongst other applicants without one.
Publishers are looking for a strong CV that demonstrates a solid interest in the field. The cover letter needs to be well-written, but direct and to the point. As a lot of jobs here involve copy-writing this is your opportunity to demonstrate your ability to write to a purpose, so don’t waffle on and try to demonstrate that you can write beautiful prose. The point of this letter is to make someone think you can do the job, so write sensibily in an engaging style about why you are that person.
Anna Mrowiec (Editorial Assistant, Michael Joseph)
#21 The Original Post
From +Lucy Oates
How did you get your first job in publishing (apart from lots of work experience, of course)? And any tips on how to make your CV/Covering letter really stand out?
Well yes, I did quite a few bits of work experience at other companies, then after a week at Penguin a temporary contract came up and the department I was in recommended me for it. This was a three-month paid contract in the digital team, and after this I was offered another one for a similar length of time. Whilst I was still here a job came up as an editorial assistant so I went for it. Being here certainly helped, as I had a great knowledge of all our books, how the company worked, systems and there were people who were able to recommend me to the editors.
Quite a lot of assistants here got their first jobs by very similar routes, so my advice would be to stick around one company for as long as possible, as if you’re there when a job comes up you’re well-placed for it. This can be doing work experience (when you’re there, ask to speak to other departments to see if you can set up other spells of work experience) but temporary contracts are great - partly because they are actually paid!
The important thing is not to just see work experience as something to put on your CV. Whilst you’re there it’s so important to become known to people in the department, to show enthusiasm and a willingness to work hard. Ask sensible questions, and try to have read some of their big books. If they do really like you, they will recommend you for other things.
Anna Mrowiec (Editorial Assistant, Michael Joseph)
#22 The Original Post
From +Victoria Hooper
*What exactly does an editor do? Are there different kinds of editors - e.g. acquisitions editor who reads submitted manuscripts and chooses some for publication, line editor who actually edits a book with the author, etc, or is there just a general editor role that does a bit of everything? (and if there are several different kinds of editors, are there different requirements for getting into these jobs?) *
Different publishers work in different ways, but at Penguin the editorial department is indeed split. Commissioning editors decide what we are going to publish, and own that project from start to finish. They’ll deal with the author in getting the book to a stage they’re happy with, they’ll decide the artwork and will liaise with marketing, publicity and sales. However, there is also a small team we call ‘Ed 2′ who put the actual book together. They’ll copyedit it and arrange for it to be proof-read, will fit it to the correct number of pages, sort out font, spacing, chapter headings, indexes etc. They work closely with production and the typesetters to actually put it all together. I’m on the commissioning side, so what is most important is an understanding of the market and what books are doing well and what people will want to read. I don’t know exactly what is needed for ed.2, but they will have undergone much more technical editing training, as well as having a more thorough understanding of language and grammar.
Anna Mrowiec (Editorial Assistant, Michael Joseph)
#23 The Original Post
From +James Farmer:
I’ve come straight out of my A-Levels (that I didn’t do excellently in) but I consider myself bright, determined and hard-working. However, I don’t have the papers to prove anything. How could I get into the world of publishing from my position? (University out of the question.)
It would depend what area of publishing you’d like to get into. I work in the Digital Marketing department, and get to work with a lot of cool authors and chat to all of our readers on our Social Media networks but, as a choice, I didn’t go to university. I feel that if you can work hard and you’re able to show your expertise you can get the career that you want! I used to write a lot of blogs and taught myself how to code websites which, when put together into a portfolio, showed the knowledge that I had gained. Have a look at some of the other responses below about getting some work experience and always make sure that you’re doing something that you love AND develops your knowledge base in your spare time.
+Sarah-Elizabeth Daly *(Digital Marketing Executive, Penguin Books)*
23 Questions later, and a significant amount of awe on my part, I find myself at a little loss of what to say about all of these wonderful responses. Stealthy writers often visit the #askagent hashtag on twitter, but getting a lot of information from publishers has always been rare. I can’t even begin to truly express how amazed and pleased I was to see a notification on Google+ yesterday when +Penguin UK shared the question and answer session with me directly.
Some of the answers were what I expected, but some of them rather surprised me. All of them were useful, and I’m very tickled that I could compile and share these questions and answers with you. If you aren’t already an active member of the Google+ community, I really recommend it. I do a lot of writing-related posts on my personal page, content that often is the foundation for what shows up on my blog.
I was almost tempted to make commentary of my own on here, but I think that this is perfect just as it is. Honest answers from people who are in publishing, love books, and wanted to reach out to both writers _and_ readers.
This is what every publishing company should strive for.